as i kind of alluded to in my last post this "cash donation to the orphanage" thing has been eating me up. our agency does require a cash donation to the orphanage. i am terrified that i am furthering corruption and bad things happening in the adoption world. anyway, i discovered all of this AFTER my dossier is already at the Vietnamese embassy, so i was feeling helpless, like if there is something bad going on, it was too late to change it. So i did some research. I am part of a liststerve on a yahoo group, so i posted my research findings on that groups site, i thought i might post them here also, as my blogging buddies tend to be a gentler-kinder bunch, and I would love to hear your opinions on this. i know some of them may be varying, but i am interested in what you have to say.
in addition- to the families who have already been to vietnam, were you asked specifically if you gave a cash donation to the orphanage at the embassy interview?
also, laurie - you commented that you had done a lot of thinking about this stuff, and i would love to hear your thoughts. can you email me directly?
crisandemilie@yahoo.com or my military email address, which you emailed me at earlier, so i think you already have that one.
thanks for your support!
Hello,
I am a new member. This is really my first post. I have been following along the thread about cash donations to agencies, and as I read and discovered more about this issue, the more uncomfortable I became. My husband and I selected our adoption agency because it is the only one in Hawaii. We didn't really research other agencies. I guess we were a little naive to the possibility of any illegal proceedings happening with international adoption.
When we got our fee schedule it was clearly stated that there was a $7000 fee to be paid in cash to the orphanage. When we saw this, we thought 'great, the money will be going directly to our baby's orphanage to help support her and the other children" we were happy there was no middle man. Now I am starting to understand the reasons people are hesitant about this type of procedure. Since the start of reading this chain, I have been doing a ton of research. i wanted to find the actual, official guidline from the bilateral agreement. It is easy to be swayed by rumors that it is "illegal" to bring cash into the country, and I wanted to find out for absolutely sure that we were not participating in something illegal.
Based on the bilateral agreement, it does not appear this procedure is illegal. I am attaching the link so that anyone who is interested can view the document.
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/vn_final_agreement.pdfPay particular attention to Article 16 1.c
"There were not any improper requests for compensation for the consent to adoption"
This does not state that it is illegal to pay a cash donation to the orphange.
The agreement gets more specific in Article 17.4
"The parties support the principle that appropriate adoption service providers make their fee schedules publicly available in advance of an adoption".
I would interpret this last portion to protect adoptive parents from having additional fees "sprung on them" once they are in country that may be used for truly unethical purposes however, it does not appear to prohibit cash payments directly to an orphanage that are stated in advance.
Our adoption cost will be about $20,000 (including travel). Our agency does not have an "international fee" like i have seen many agencies have in which this fee is paid directly to the agency. I have seen this fee be $10-13,000. I don't know what this "international fee" that many agencies require is, but instead of having this fee, our agency is having us deliver a cash contribution. what happens to that cash (or to the 10-13000 others are paying their agencies) I have no idea. I wish i knew, and i can't say that it will be used appropriately. But i also don't know what the "international fee" is used for. it could be used for salaries of the adoption agency workers or who knows what it is used for. I guess my point is whether you are paying $10,000 to your agency, or $7,000 to the orphanage, there is no way to know what really happens to that money. BUT it does not appear that any of the language says either of these things are illegal based on the bilateral contract. As for the ethical aspect, i guess everyone will have to decide on their own if they would rather their agency have the money, or the orphanage have the money.